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« on: February 08, 2010, 10:28:01 AM »
im kinda sadd about my current fish, my anemone now looks like a piece of chew'd up gum, and my star fish is curling his arms. i know my anemone is dead but my star fish moves still. i found a 20 gallon tank for 30 $. how long should i wait with just the water in it, and how much live rock and sand. and what do i use as a bottem, also i kno i need a heater but do i need a filter?,  is there some type of stuff i can put in my tank to avoid ich or ick. so far i spent 250$ for nothing it seems, i wanna get 2 clown fish and an anemone for them, maybe a bottem feeder or starfish.

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Re: new tank
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 11:03:41 AM »
not to sound like an old salt, but the first thing you need to do is BE PATIENT.  this is probably THE hardest thing to do when you're new to the hobby.  there's an old adage in the hobby that says "good things happen slowly, but disasters can happen overnight", and unfortunately, it's often true.

secondly, a friend of mine wrote a pretty good article on cycling a tank, so give this a read:

http://www.seahorse.org/library/articles/cycling.shtml

finally, i'd get the largest tank you have room for (i think a 55/60 gal is a perfect first tank, but a std. 29 is about as small as i'd go).  there are several reasons for this:

1.  you'll ALWAYS want to upgrade as you progress.

2.  a larger volume of water means more "fudge factor" if something goes south, meaning more water changes more slowly, and gives you more reaction time to recognize, diagnose, and rectify said problem.  this is important if you're a novice, as you may not "see" the problem coming as quickly as a more advanced hobbyist.

3.  there are lots of deals to be had now, but $30 for a used 20 gal seems a bit pricy to me.  again, there's that patience thing...

4.  if you ask anyone who has kept a "nano" as well as larger systems, they'll tell you that the nano requires a LOT more attention and cost than a larger setup due to their inherent instability.

based on your stocking list, my thought are these:

most clowns get fairly large (4"-6" or so), so those cute little ones will indeed grow and put a demand on a small tank's water quality.

also, keeping a 'nem is NOT easy, even E. quadricolor (BTA/RBTA) isn't a walk in the park.  they really require stable water parameters (a mature system vs. a cycled system).  the same goes for most sea stars...they really do best in mature systems.

this wasn't meant to be negative in any way, but rather some suggestions from a person who has "been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt" several times over and wants to see you succeed and enjoy the hobby.
Greg

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Re: new tank
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 11:04:17 AM »
Sorry things aren't going as planned :(

I just got my tank up and running in the fall so I am still learning as I go. I think the most IMPORTANT things I've learned is to take your time, be patient, and research, research, RESEARCH!!! From what I gather things can backfire fairly quickly in the hobby. And unfortunately since it is an expensive hobby you can be out alot of $$$.

My cycling period was about 8wks (I think..LOL, it was a while ago). So it does take time. Knock on wood I haven't had any major problems.

I believe decent live rock can do the trick with no filter. I have a filter with no live rock, so I'm not much help in that department. I did use live sand as my substrate.

Good luck! Keep your chin up...

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Re: new tank
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 11:09:39 AM »
Shame about your tank, but hopefully, when your set up has matured a little, the next fish you put in, will fare better.
As Greg and Amy said, patience really is the key.
Good luck.
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Re: new tank
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 11:13:48 AM »
it sounds like you are at 'square one'...

this is a great place to start...(it sounds like you missed this and a few other steps in your current effort)

There are lots of things to do/look out for...

but to answer your questions...

I would clean the tank up, put in the live sand and live rock, and clean salt water...

I would put a heater in it and set it for about 75-78 degrees..

I would also put a light on it, although the light can be turned on for just a little bit each day, and mostly for your enjoyment, not really for the benefit of the tank


I would do NITRITE tests daily.. .at about the same time of day each day.

I would also do ammonia tests, maybe every other day, unless you do encounter and test ammonia...

after the first week, i would put a small PINCH of fish food into the tank, and continue on with your water testing like stated above...

and when you start to test NITRITE, let us know...


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Re: new tank
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 12:15:08 PM »
Please listen to their advice, it is frustrating when things dont work out how you want but if you follow the advice then you will come out on top!! 
if at first you dont suceed, try try, oh hell, just shoot the some woof woof!!!!!!! -Bill

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Re: new tank
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 01:20:51 PM »
thanks sooo much, yea by now u probly kno how impatient germans are =]
what should i do with my star fish? he is deffenetly not good, but he isnt dead yet.. and i cant flush a not dead fish im that big of a baby. he is the only thing in there so i hope he magicly gets better..  ill tell you when i get a bigger tank, 20 gallons is all i can carry up 3 floors and thew 4 doors that require a card swipe, and my room mate made a cool desguize for my tank. the RA's here are cool but if u complain about the smell of weed to them everyday they start to look for things to kick u out. my computer gets back soon so i can be on more and not screw up as much =]  :) danke schön

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Re: new tank
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 02:05:37 PM »
damn germans and thier impatience!!!!  hehehehe

If they would have just been a little more patient, they might have won the war!!!!

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

and yea, we understand your issues, and as long as you arent really impatient, you will do fine...


if at first you dont suceed, try try, oh hell, just shoot the some woof woof!!!!!!!



as for the starfish... you can keep your eyes on him and maybe he will pull through.. no harm in trying, (and practicing your patience)   :)


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Re: new tank
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 02:30:30 PM »
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if at first you dont suceed, try try, oh hell, just shoot the some woof woof!!!!!!!








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if at first you dont suceed, try try, oh hell, just shoot the some woof woof!!!!!!! -Bill

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Re: new tank
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 12:38:00 PM »
star fish is gone. i cant wait for my new tank. sorry i tried to be more patient. im xcited thoughhhh now i have u guys, so they should live once i get them :) :) :)

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Re: new tank
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 12:42:56 PM »
sorry to hear...

and yea, sometimes were are blunt and somewhat unsympathetic, but seriously, I think we understand that most of us are on budgets and cant afford much, and when we hear about folks that have little to no money and how money is tight and then for them to lose it all cause they just couldnt wait a month, is a bit tough/inconsistant also


ultimately, i recognize that most of us are impatient... we all want instant gratification and instant art... plug and play... just fill with water an dplug it in and sit back and play soap opera with teh critters...

BUT, if you think about how many years it takes for a snail to grow a shell like those and think about how many years it takes just for them to meet a mate and procreate...

and year and year and year and year...

the first month or two is nothing...


So, now that you are starting over... please take your time... your tak will be here later on...

and it will look like a piece of the ocean in your house...  not just some piece of art that you bought an had little control over how it looks...

We will be here for you during this phase, and I am sure this time it will have better results...

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Re: new tank
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 12:46:16 PM »
That's too bad  :(

Good luck next time around, I'm sure you will succeed!

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Re: new tank
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 01:43:44 PM »
Sorry about your starfish, onward and upward to the next one eh?

Remember, be patient!!!! ;) It works.
Tania :0)

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Re: new tank
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2010, 02:01:39 PM »
 ;)  im triiing. i so do want my fish to live long.
so how long do i have to leave my tank fishless with water. and do i just put the live rock/sand in the tank.?
im soo stoked excited, i have a feeling it will work this time around :D :D :D

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Re: new tank
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2010, 03:13:04 PM »
and


did you read the article on cycling i posted the link to?  based on your questions, it doesn't seem like it...maybe you didn't understand it, in which case, we can help you out.

however, to answer your questions (provided they're concerning cycling):

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so how long do i have to leave my tank fishless with water.


a cycle typically takes around 4 weeks...sometimes more, sometimes less.

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do i just put the live rock/sand in the tank.?


you basically want to set the tank up as if it were full-up running.  then, you'll need to feed the tank a source of nitrogenous waste (food, shrimp, fish, PURE household ammonia (no scents or surfactants), etc.)

if you question is regarding ridding the tank of Brooklynella, i'd most likely break it down, and sterilize everything in bleach water (again, PURE bleach) or vinegar water.  for bleach, i'd go with 1/4 cup per 5 gals.  after the bleach, you'll want to rinse well and let it soak in FW with a chlorine remover.  do this until you can no longer smell the bleach.

if your LR is infected, toss it or boil it (if you don't have a lot, just toss it).  it will be dead, but will reseed as your tank matures, esp if you add some new pieces.

HTH



Greg